"I think it's time for us to look at whether we want to amend that law to apply it to American citizens who choose to become affiliated with foreign terrorists organizations, whether or not they should also be deprived automatically of their citizenship and therefore be deprived of rights that come with that citizenship when they are apprehended and charged with a terrorist act."
That's right. If you are accused of terrorism, you are stripped of your rights and presumably then shipped to Guantanamo. Awesome.
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Be more liberal:
You, nor anyone you remotely care for, will ever be subject to a terrorist investigation or the repercussions of such action.
Shashad should be stripped of his U.S. citizenship.
He should be interrogated to the fullest in order to learn as much as possible about what happened in hopes of preventing the next one.
Why do you think that America sucks? It is the best country in the world but your liberal filters to the world keep you from seeing where the rubber meets the road.
Heh. Its curious that defense of civil liberties in your world means I hate America. Protection of the citizen from excess of state power was the foremost thing that the Founding Fathers were concerned with when they wrote the Constitution.
The argument that I shouldn't worry about this because I am white also was applied judiciously in Germany pre WW2.
"And I said nothing, because I was not a Jew"
"Protection of the citizen from excess of state power was the foremost thing that the Founding Fathers were concerned with when they wrote the Constitution." - You being a democrat and believing fully in this statement are mutually exclusive. Democrats want nothing more than to control most aspects of the US citizen's life. I can't wait until you're a doctor and pay 70% taxes and get paid $15/hour
And really, the WWII parallel???? You can't possibly believe that's where we are headed?!
Disclaimer: I think the nazi ideology was despicable.....however history might have been different if the jewish population in germany was terrorizing the country's citizens.
Basically, I think you're a fake liberal and bet that within 15 years you'll be singing a different tune when you grow out of this young phase.
"You being a democrat..."
The recognition that the Republican Party is morally and intellectually bankrupt does not make me a Democrat. It is more difficult to understand the world if you are trying to force everyone into only two groups, you know.
"And really, the WWII parallel???? You can't possibly believe that's where we are headed?!"
The WW2 parallel is entirely appropriate. It is you, and not me, who thinks that it should be OK for the government to burst into the house of a Pakistani-American citizen in the middle of the night, strip that accused citizen of their rights, and send them to Guantanamo for water boarding without anyone knowing. That is the America that you wish to create. No innocent until proven guilty, no miranda rights. Any brown person who is suspected of terrorism should be abducted and tortured by the government - that is your America.
"Disclaimer: I think the nazi ideology was despicable.....however history might have been different if the jewish population in germany was terrorizing the country's citizens."
How do you think the Nazis generated such hatred of Jews? Many Germans thought that the Jews WERE terrorizing the citizens (albeit in a different way), just like many Americans (you, for example) believe that 'the Muslim population is terrorizing American citizens'.
The Nazis said that the Jews were a part of a conspiracy to take over the country. They said that the Jews caused the Germans to lose WW1 and that the Jews stabbed Germany in the back. The German people DID THINK that the Jews were attacking Germany. That's why Germans accepted forcing Jews to wear golden stars. That's why Germans were OK with Jews being stripped of their civil rights. And you know what happened next.
"Basically, I think you're a fake liberal and bet that within 15 years you'll be singing a different tune when you grow out of this young phase."
Talk about mutually exclusive. According to you, I'm simultaneously a liberal who hates America, a democrat, and a fake liberal. Anyway, I'll "grow out of this phase" when the electoral strategy of the GOP isn't to appeal to the lowest common denominator in American politics...by appealing to racists and bigots and fake Christians and torture enthusiasts, and people who really have no real grasp of history nor of what this country was actually founded upon. So, in short, you.
From reading your previous posts you are a democrat. I'm not a registered voter, so I guess I'm neither.
1) The WWII parallel: Muslims-Americans ARE terrorizing, or attempting to terrorize our country. Do you deny that?
-Granted the media whips both sides of the aisle into a frenzy about this, but the bottom line is the greatest threat to our country currently (from a terrorism aspect) is Muslims with US citizenship. I would not have anyone rounded up or branded but those few muslims with involvement in these groups need to either move out of our country or be subject to intense scrutiny. I do not feel bad about saying that whatsoever.
-What you have our country do differently in handling the the times square incident?
"From reading your previous posts you are a democrat."
Go farther back.
"Muslims-Americans ARE terrorizing, or attempting to terrorize our country. Do you deny that?"
Of course I deny that. Out of literally millions of productive, educated, entrepreneurial Muslim-American citizens, there have been what, 2 that have committed or attempted terrorism? Seriously, whites commit just as much terror.
The interesting thing about terrorism as a political tactic is that it only works if there are people in the targeted population that are quite excitable and easily frightened. Terrorism as an existential threat to Americans is seriously a fraction of that posed by bumblebees. This is a fact - you would have to fly on various airplanes for something like 5,000 years before you would ever statistically even be in a terrorist-related INCIDENT, even a failed one.
And look how incompetent our enemies are. The shoe bomber on Christmas, the Times Square attempt. Its pathetic.
The only hope terrorists have is to get lucky once every few years. Then the more cowardly and irrational members of society start calling for really stupid and idiotic things like stripping US citizens of their rights, racial profiling Muslims, torturing suspected terrorists. Now all of the sudden you could very easily get to the point where the Muslim-American population does feel scared and targeted, and they start to become radicalized. Now all of the sudden you have created a climate where terrorism is more, not less likely.
The times square incident has been handled fine as far as I can tell. We captured the guy, we are going to interrogate him, we're going to put him on trial and we're going to throw his ass in jail where it belongs. There is nothing wrong with that response.
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